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UCharlie Watts ongasekhoyo wabonisa ukuba nangona zonke iindlela zokuziphatha zokuzibhubhisa zikaKeith Richards, i-Rolling Stones guitarist yayisoloko "inomdla oqinileyo wokuphila." Kodwa uRichards ngokwakhe akaqinisekanga ngokupheleleyo ukuba ufike njani apha: "Sonke sakhiwe ngeendlela ezahlukeneyo," utsho, "kwaye ndicinga ukuba mhlawumbi ndisisidenge ngokuzibeka kwiimeko apho phantse ukuphila okanye ukufa. … Kodwa jonga, sinobomi obunye kuphela, esinokuthi sibusebenzise ngokupheleleyo. Kudliwanondlebe olutsha lwethu Umculo weRolling Stone ngoku podcast, uRichards wathetha ngayo iklasi yakhe eyedwa kutshanje ephinde yaphuma ngowe-1992, umoni ophambili, indlela uMick Jagger amtyhalele ngayo kumsebenzi wakhe wedwa, ebhala "Gimme Shelter," ikamva laMatye, uEric Clapton, uPaul McCartney, kunye nokunye.
(Ungamamela udliwano ndlebe Umculo weRolling Stone ngoku ngokucofa dlala ngasentla okanye uye kwiApple Podcasts okanye kwiSpotify.)
ukuthetha kutshiphu, i-albhamu yakho yokuqala ye-solo, yenziwe ubukhulu becala kwisitayile sokungafaki amagama emlonyeni wakho - "Fuck you, Mick". Kodwa Umoni oyintloko kwalandela Amavili entsimbi, emva kokuba i-Stones ibuyele kunye, ngoko yayihluke kancinane. Nanixolelana. Oku kuwachaphazela njani amandla angena kuyo?
Kum, apho Est inani elithile elithi "Nyusa eyakho, Mick". Kwaye ke, kwangaxeshanye, ayingowona mxholo uphambili. Ikakhulu kwakungenxa yokuba ndandikhubekile kukwenza iirekhodi zedwa ngelo xesha, kuba akuzange kube kwishedyuli yam ukukhetha ukuhamba ndedwa. Kodwa xa ndijonga emva, ndaqonda ukuba i-Rolling Stones yayikwi-bubble yayo kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo yayiza kuba yindawo apho kufuneka sisasaze amaphiko ethu ngandlela-thile. Yayiyindlela yam ke leyo, kwaye ndandiyonwabele kakhulu. Ndandikuthanda ukudlala neeWinos. Ngapha koko, ndisadlala noSteve Jordan kuba ekunye noMatye, kodwa lelinye ibali. Kwakukho into malunga nabo bonke aba bafana endandibazi kwaye ndadibana nabo njengabahlobo, kwaye ithuba lokukwazi ukuzisa iqela elinqabileyo elinjalo lalingomnye wale mimangaliso incinci kum. Kwaye ndiyawaxabisa la maxesha. [2015's] "Runnin 'Too Deep," uyazi?
nge Umoni oyintloko, awunakuwuchaza unyaka eyarekhodwa ngokuyiphulaphula nje. Awukwazanga ukufumana ishumi leminyaka.
Ndiyakuqonda. Ewe. Nantso into engaphelelwa lixesha, ukuba yenzeka njani... Mind you, into eninzi yeStones yayinjalo nayo, kodwa ndimamele. Umoni oyintloko kwakhona, ndaza ndakhumbula oko kwathethwa nguWaddy [Wachtel] no-Ivan [Neville] noSteve [Jordan]: “Mntundini, le rekhodi asiyoxesha nje elinye. Oku kuya kwenzeka. Kwaye ngokungaqhelekanga, silapha.
Kwingoma ethi "Amagama aMangalisayo," eyingoma yereggae, nguwe okwibhess. Andiqinisekanga ukuba umhlaba wakhe wakuva udlala ibhess yereggae ngaphambili. Yintoni oyikhumbulayo ngokutsiba kwi-bass kuleya?
Okokuqala, uWaddy Wachtel weza nengoma. Ngokwenyani, kule minyaka idlulileyo, ndiyathetha, bendikuthanda ukudlala i-bass. Ndihlala ndiyenza, nangona ndithetha ngamatye, ndiyi-bass kwi "Imfesane ngoMtyholi."
Kwaye "Jumping Jack Flash", "Wonwabile" kunye nabanye.
Ewe, ndiyakuthanda ukudlala ibhes. Ngoko ngamanye amaxesha ndiye ndizixelele ukuba bekufanele ndibambelele kuyo. Ngelo xesha, "Amagama amangalisayo," ndacinga nje ukuba ingoma emnandi eyabhalwa nguWaddy, kwaye ndihlala eJamaica iminyaka. Ndathi, "Ndiza kuthatha i-bass kuloo nto." » Ireggae yenzelwe umculo webhess. Kwaye okoko ndihlala eJamaica, ngokuqhubekayo nangaphandle, malunga neminyaka eli-10, uRobbie, sikelela intliziyo yakhe... [ibali lebhess yereggae] URobbie Shakespeare wayengumhlobo wam omkhulu, usandula ukusweleka. Andazi, iBass yayisoloko ifana nokundikhotha ngasemva, uyayazi ndithetha ukuthini.
Ngumfanekiso ongcolileyo, Keith.
Ewe, kunjalo, uyazi. Undileqa nje emva kwam, uyayazi ndithetha ukuthini?
Kuyahlekisa, bendimamele ezinye iingoma odlala kuzo i-bass kwikhathalogu ye-Stones nakwi-studio yokurekhoda ethi "Happy." Kuyathakazelisa ukuba ukude kangakanani emva kwesibetho kwi-bass kunye nokuba oko kunegalelo njani kwisandi.
Ndisemva kwesingqi, sele isondele ngaphambili. Kodwa, ewe, bendisoloko ndithanda ukushenxisa isingqi ngasemva kwaye konke kuxhomekeke kubavuthi, kodwa nabanye abavuthi begubu ungadlala ngesingqi de kube phantse isangqa esipheleleyo. Kwaye andinakuze ndiyibeke ngamazwi kuba unokuyifumana kuphela xa isenzeka, uyazi?
Ngokucacileyo, yayinguCharlie Watts, phumla ngoxolo, owacebisa uSteve Jordan kuwe kwasekuqaleni. Kwaye kubonakala ngathi kukho ukufana ngokucacileyo kwimvakalelo; banomoya ofanayo onesingqisho ngeendlela ezithile. Kunzima kakhulu ukuthetha, kodwa kukho ukufana njengamagubu, akunjalo?
Ndicinga ukuba kuqala, uSteve Jordan ukhule emamela kwaye emthanda uCharlie Watts. Wayesoloko eyigcina eyona nto ithethwa nguCharlie Watts ngeRolling Stones, yinto eyodwa kwaye andizange ndidibane nomnye umculi wegubu owayenovelwano kwinto eyenziwa nguCharlie, uyazi? Kwaye, ndiyathetha, ngamanye amaxesha uSteve unokundiqhatha, kwaye ndicinga ukuba nguCharlie. NgeeWinos, bekumnandi ukudlala naba bafana bakhule bemamela iStones kwaye beve umbono wabo. Mna noSteve sisasebenza kule nto.
Usebenza ngantoni, enye irekhodi uwedwa?
Sisebenza kuyo yonke into. Ndithetha ukuthi, ngoku, sizama ukufumana indlela yethu ... Ndithetha ukuba, sisandul 'ukugqiba olu khenketho, kwaye babephuma ebusika, akunjalo? Kwaye wonke umntu uyazibuza ukuba enze ntoni kulo nyaka kwaye ngokucacileyo isikhumbuzo seminyaka engama-60 saMatye siyeza. Kwaye ndiyacinga ukuba ngokuqinisekileyo siza kwenza into apho. Kusekutsha nje enyakeni ukuba nditsho ngoku ukuba unyaka uzohamba njani, ngakumbi nge-Covid yakudala iphezu kwethu. Kodwa ngethemba lokuba ujikeleze yonke loo nto kwaye udlule kuyo. Kufuneka kubekho umculo onomdla kulo nyaka.
Inika umdla ukuba "Njengoko kubi njengoko kubonakalas," ikhubazekile Ityala eliphambilir, kuvakala ngathi ngumzala womculo wengoma yamva yaMatye, “ uthando lomelele.” Ngaba babekwindawo yengqondo efanayo kuwe, okanye ubone njani loo nto?
Ewe. “Ubungendawo Njengoko Lubonakala” ngokuqinisekileyo ngumzala “wothando Lomelele.” Ngokwenyani, mhlawumbi isondele kancinci kunoko.
Kufana namawele afanayo aneendlela ezahlukeneyo zobomi. Ungabona iindlela ezahlukeneyo zokwakha kwiibhloko ezifanayo.
Ewe man, imnandi lento uyithethayo ngoba bendiziva njalo ngabo. Ngandlela ithile kufuneka ndenze iingoma ezimbini ngale nto, uyazi? Kwaye kwakhona, ngobulumko bexesha, babekwinqanaba elifanayo kakhulu. Xa ndimamele le nto ngoku, ndifana, "Wow, mhlawumbi kufuneka senze okungaphezulu." »
Ngaphezulu komntu omnye uthe ingoma yokuvula, "999," yabakhumbuza ngeZZ Top. Uyawuva lo mzekeliso?
Ndiyawuva lo mzekeliso, ewe, kakuhle kakhulu. Kodwa kum, "999" yayixabisa kakhulu yonke into, uyazi?
Ithowuni egqwethekileyo ngakumbi kulo, utshintsho olunomdla kuwe.
Yeah yeah. Mhlawumbi ndicinezele iqhosha elingalunganga [uhleka].
“Idemon,” ingoma yokuvala, yingoma emnandi. Xa ucula “Kukho idemon kum,” ithetha ukuthini loo nto kuwe?
Yintsokolo kum. Ndithetha ukuthi, inyaniso kukuba kukho idemon kuthi sonke. Uyabona? Ndaye ndavuma nje.
Mhlawumbi ndiyigqithile le nto, kodwa ndacinga ukuba idemon, into efanayo enokuthi iqhube umntu ukuba asele okanye asebenzise iziyobisi, inokuba yinto enye emqhubela kwingqondo yakhe kunye nobuchule bakhe kwaye awukwazi ukukhetha phakathi kwabo. Ukuba yonke into ivela kule ndawo inye.
Kanye, uyazi ukuba idemon ayiyonto imbi. Inokuba yinto ezisa izinto ebomini, uyazi? Xa ndandiyibhala, ndandisokola kwalento inye. Uyazi, kumnyama kakhulu okanye ... kodwa ndicinga ukuba idemoni ngokwenene ithetha amandla.
Kwaye mhlawumbi awukwazi ukuyiyeka le demoni ukuba ife.
Kuxhomekeke ebantwini ukuba ngaba kubi okanye kulungile, nokuba kukho into enjalo. Kodwa xa indifumana le demon, kufuneka ndiyenze.
Xa wenze Umoni oyintloko, ndicinga ukuba ubuneminyaka engama-48 ubudala. Abantu bakubiza ngokuba mdala kakhulu ukuba ungagungqi ngelo xesha, nto leyo ehlekisayo ngoku. Kodwa yintoni oyikhumbulayo ngokuba kweli xesha lobomi?
Ndithetha ukuthi, ngamanye amaxesha kwiminyaka yam yamashumi amabini ndandiziva ndimdala kakhulu kunangoku. Kodwa yonke into inxulumene kakhulu, kwaye konke kuxhomekeke kwindlela ozivakalelwa ngayo kunye nendlela ovakalelwa ngayo ngabanye. Ndihlala ndizama ukujonga kwicala eliqaqambileyo lobomi, uyazi?
Kwi-X-Pensive Winos live disc kule bhokisi iseti, sikuva ucula "Gimme Shelter" bukhoma, ebonakala inesibindi. Ewe, yingoma oyibhale kakhulu, kodwa ikwenzele ntoni?
Ewe, ngoku ndimamele, ndade ndalibala ukuba sabelana ngesondo noWino. Kwaye ngandlel’ ithile yandikhumbuza mhla ndayibhalayo, eyayingathi yimini enetha eLondon, eMount Street. Kwabakho isaqhwithi esikhulu kwaye wonke umntu wayebaleka efuna ukuzimela, kwaye ngokwenene waphuma kulo mbono ulula. Kwaye ke ndaqonda, ngokuqinisekileyo, ngoko uyazi ukuba kufuneka uyandise. Kwaye ndaqonda ukuba kukho isaqhwithi esinye kuphela, kodwa kwakukho ezinye ezininzi. Kodwa, ewe, ukuziva ndicula kwakhona, ngokungathi andizange ndive ukuba oko sikwenzileyo, kundinika le mvakalelo yongxamiseko ngayo. “Gimme Shelter,” bendisoloko ndinendawo ethambileyo kuloo nto.
Kwaye uMick wenza ntoni ngokwenene ekubhaleni le ngoma?
Owu, yandisiwe. Ndayandisa, kwaye ngakumbi xa ndisithi sifuna umfazi apha, i-duo. Kwaye ke loo nto yandisa ingoma ibe ngaphezulu kwe ... Andazi, ngokuqinisekileyo kwinqanaba leqonga, yanika ubukho obubonakalayo. Udlwengulo kunye nokubulala zihlala zizisa izihlwele, uyazi?
Ngaba iyavakala kuwe, xa ujonga ngasemva, ukuba wenze eli cwecwe likhulu ngo-1992 kwaye awuphindanga wenze icwecwe eliyedwa kude kube ngu-2015?
Hayi ncma. Ndiyifumana ingaqhelekanga, kodwa ndicinga ukuba kungenxa yokuba aMatye andigcine ndixakekile ixesha elide. Kwaye ke ndaba nabantwana okanye ... andizange, umfazi wenza, kodwa ndicinga ukuba yayisisizathu esifanayo nesizathu sokuba ndiyenze. ukuthetha kutshiphu et Umoni oyintloko kwakungenxa yokuba aMatye ayethatha elinye lamakhefu awo amade. Kwaye malunga ne-2012, i-10, yenzeke kwakhona.
Kwaye emva koko uSteve kunye nam… eneneni, [umphathi] uJane Rose uthe, “Dibana noSteve. Kutheni ungenzi nto ngoku sisalinde ukubona ukuba uza kwenza ntoni na aMatye? Kuba kungenjalo unokuxhoma nje kwaye ubole kwaye wonwabe, oko kulungile, ukonwaba kumnandi, kodwa ukubola akunjalo. Ngethamsanqa mna noSteve sadibana kwaye sagqiba kwelokuba senze into yethu. Kukho iiWino ezininzi zexesha elide apho kunye nabanye abantu abamangalisayo. Kwaye Intliziyo enethunzi yenye into endiyithandayo, kodwa ndizibona ndisenza ezi zinto xa ndingenayo i-pressure yaMatye, uyazi? Oh ewe.
Xa bendithetha nawe kunye noMick noRon ngo-2016 kwikhava yokugqibela esiyenzileyo kwiRolling Stones, bekukho icwecwe lestudio leengoma ezintsha kraca kwimisebenzi ukongeza kuyo. Uluhlaza kwaye unesithukuthezi, eyayiyi-albhamu yeblues enamakhava owayikhuphileyo ngelo xesha. Lithini ke ngoku eli cwecwe litsha? Kwaye, uyazi, ngaphandle kokubuza ngobukrwada ukuba kutheni kuthatha ixesha elide kangaka? Ndicinga ukuba umbuzo ngulo, ngobubele kangangoko kunokwenzeka, kutheni le nto ithatha ixesha elide kangaka?
Ewe, ukuya kuthi ga kwinqanaba, andinakuxela nantoni na. Kodwa jonga, eneneni ekuphela kwento endifuna uyazi kukuba ngoku… yintoni endifuna uyazi? Ndithi ndiyayithanda...
SOURCE: Uphonononga Iindaba
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